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Squawk Box - July 9, 2008 - P2P SIP - Special Guest: David Bryan Conference call organized by Dan York

Agenda
Does P2P SIP represent the future of SIP communication? Does it have the possibility to enable the creation of a peer-to-peer communication cloud that could rival Skype but be based on open standards? Where would P2P SIP fit? In an enterprise environment? consumer? What's the technology behind it all, anyway?

Today's Squawk Box should be quite a fascinating one for those of us interested in the network level of how VoIP can all work. Today, pretty much all SIP-based telephony is "server-centric". You have SIP servers to which SIP clients register. The SIP servers, be they IP-PBXs, call managers, whatever... control the overall conversation. But what if you could have SIP in a *serverless* environment? What if SIP endpoints could "self-organize" and create P2P clouds? How would this work? How secure would it be? Who would use it?

Joining us on the call will be David Bryan, co-chair of the IETF's P2PSIP Working Group and also CEO of SIPpeerior Technologies. I've known David through the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) where he heads up the P2PSIP working group and has been working to move that effort along. To me this is an absolutely fascinating area of exploration and offers some incredible potential. David's a great guy and I'm looking forward to having this conversation with him around what is happening in the world of P2PSIP.

Some links:

http://www.p2psip.org/
http://www.p2psip.org/reading.php
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/p2psip/ (IETF working group)
http://www.sipeerior.com/
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Dan York said:
Thanks everyone
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Yes indeed James....
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James Body said:
David -- is your PSTN number ending 0101 good to call you?
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James Body said:
Ah - that would be the session at VON where I was sat behind you abusing iPhones?
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You still won't work through an HTTP proxy like Skype does, though.
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Dan York said:
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Dan York said:
BTW, David's been maintaining a list of resources and other info at http://www.p2psip.org/
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Dan York said:
thx
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James Body said:
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Dan York said:
URL, James?
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James Body said:
OK - David - would you like to comment about the potentail of commercial P2P applications, in particular the impressive Adobe Flash based Pacifica? (Henry Sinnreich's team)
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Dan York said:
Thanks for being here, BIll. I was just about to ask your question....
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William Volk said:
off the phone
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Dan York said:
:-)
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James Body said:
Imagine what I have in the trunk of my car DaN.....
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James Body said:
Or just use a Jazinga device?
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James Body said:
Why not just embed Asterisk or FreeSWITCH into a handset?
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James Body said:
Aha - so the key to this is to have a number of 'uber-phones' capable of P2P SIP?
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James Body said:
Where/how is registration info implemented?
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James Body said:
Outbound calls to PSTN I can see as being really straightforwad - but what about inbound calls?
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William Volk said:
I once saw a P2P video streaming solution. Was looking into this in 2000.
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James Body said:
Or even P2P Skype!
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James Body said:
Bearing in mind the most difficult part of the equation for an ITSP is the 'bit on the end' - i.e. the bit that it is difficult to have total control over
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James Body said:
I would support P2P at the front end - but with our clever stuff at the backend
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wait, I am being shortsighted. Or just being cynical about the carriers ability to deploy this technology effectively.
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James Body said:
Skype is a composite architecture - P2P at the user end but with centralized control of the security/gateway stuff - a good model
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randulo said:
excellent call. must run.
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p2p sip is not really a carrier solution anyway, is it?
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James Body said:
The Skype P2P model is really quite interesting - intercept is carried out at the PSTN gateway
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I consider the lack of ability to do intercept as a feature
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Do you attempt to deal with the different encryption laws worldwide with this effort?
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Dan York said:
James, Bill - great questions... will queue them
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James Body said:
Ah - you found the source of the noise!
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Dan York said:
Jim - I had to mute you because of background noise. Feel free to raise your hand and I'll unmute.
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James Body said:
What about configuration and management of gateways - e.g. to PSTN?
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William Volk said:
what about the propagation of latencies?
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James Body said:
Got him
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James Body said:
David Bryan, co-chair of the IETF's P2PSIP Working Group and also CEO of SIPpeerior Technologies.
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Dan York said:
James - David Bryan, our guest.
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Dan York said:
Good question, Dameon... I'll add that in.
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James Body said:
Who is talking?
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So is this technology going to actually do anything about the NAT traversal problems that plague SIP today?
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James Body said:
Adobe Pacifica?
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James Body said:
Sorry I'm late - missed the front end....
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Scrolling in chat seems to be hosed from Firefox on a PC
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Wow, Julien fixed the timestamps on the chat!
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Dan York said:
Please feel free to raise your hand if you want to be unmuted.
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Dan York said:
Cacelotto - I had to mute you because of background noise.
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Dan York said:
No problem. Good luck with the movers!
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randulo said:
Actually, I'm waiting for moversz to ring the door. Sorry for the disrupt.