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Call Dashboard	Squawk Box August 20 Conference call organized by Alec Saunders

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Wed, Aug 20, at 11:00 AM
(GMT -05:00), US - Eastern
Duration:	30 minutes

There a couple of meaty stories on the web this morning that we'll discuss.

First, for all the phone geek's out there, there's Ted Wallingford's Nokia N-Series vs iPhone 3G Smackdown. Always opinionated, we'll discuss whether Ted has the right criteria, and whether we agree with his conclusions.

Second, Positech Games Cliff Harris published a piece titled Talking to Pirates, in which he asked people why they pirated games... and he learned some surprising things.

I'm working on getting these two gentleman on the show this morning.

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17 participants called in to this call

M Alec Saunders	James Swing-r	James Body	Ken Camp	Dan Rockwell
Hudson Barton	Jim Courtney	Moshe Maeir	Mark Hewitt	William Volk
Randall Howard	Todd Spraggins	Sheryl Breuker	Frankie Abrams	cliffski
Greg McQuay	Nick Desbarats

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William Volk said:

Aug 20, 12:21 PM (GMT -05:00)

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13563

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 12:06 PM (GMT -05:00)

yeah - that was good.

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 12:05 PM (GMT -05:00)

one of the best sessions

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 12:05 PM (GMT -05:00)

http://saunderslog.com/2008/08/20/taking-squawkbox-to-a-new-level/

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 12:05 PM (GMT -05:00)

Nice session Alec, thanks for this experience, my first Calliflower one. :)

Mark Hewitt said:

Aug 20, 12:04 PM (GMT -05:00)

Good call today Alec

Frankie Abrams said:

Aug 20, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

If you have the energy, engaging your game's fans is the best route to educate and convert to paying customers.

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

Why are Pirates called Pirates?<br/><br/>Because they ARRRRRH!

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:54 AM (GMT -05:00)

what % of these pirates actually end up playing your games or are you just merchandise to move

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:54 AM (GMT -05:00)

what about games that verify themselves on the internet before runing

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:54 AM (GMT -05:00)

or do realize they are not your customers

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:53 AM (GMT -05:00)

asking a pirate for mercy is like asking them to pour gas on you and toss ya a match

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:53 AM (GMT -05:00)

Generally I would steer clear of products with DRM - it introduces a higher level of complexity and stuff to go wrong!

Jim Courtney said:

Aug 20, 11:52 AM (GMT -05:00)

That link to Slashdot gives me: Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 11:51 AM (GMT -05:00)

ciao!

Sheryl Breuker said:

Aug 20, 11:51 AM (GMT -05:00)

Hasta!

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

My former boss Bobby Kotick is doing quite well

Ken Camp said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

I'll try to do so more often Alec

Mark Hewitt said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

Not all hackers do bad things for example look at the hack that uncovered government documents that disclosed the real age of the Chinese women's gymnastics team<br/><br/>http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1259253<br/><br/>

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

thank you for coming back Ken!

Ken Camp said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

I have to drop off. Have a conference call in a few and need to get coffee. Nice to be able to join in here again this morning.

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

I think I could live with WoW's diminished revenues

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

And the challenge of a locked iPhone - too tempting to resist

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:49 AM (GMT -05:00)

William, brings up a good point, what about going subscription based? while WoW has been exploited in various ways with hacks and virtual servers its pretty isolated

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 11:49 AM (GMT -05:00)

those a re brutal Jim

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

what about going to an online game model where purchase is a subscrition to play

Jim Courtney said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

Branching out on this issue, Dan York reports from SpeechTEK: At #SpeechTEK, Kevin Mitnick is demonstrating the incredibly scary databases out on the Internet for finding personal info like SSN's.

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

theres a huge status and ego side of the scene

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

thanks Nick!

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

Olympic sport - now there is an idea!

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

and you get status in uploading

Nick Desbarats said:

Aug 20, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

Many apologies, but I have to leave for a noon appointment. If anyone has any good or bad comments re MyChoiceBot, pls don't hesitate to contact me: nickd@choicebot.com . Cheers.

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:47 AM (GMT -05:00)

which begs the question, what is this pirate scene all about really, defeating games protection schemes, and moving files, moving newness

Alec Saunders said:

Aug 20, 11:47 AM (GMT -05:00)

there you go James

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:47 AM (GMT -05:00)

absolutely, everything gets cracked

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

So - crap games get hacked?

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

heh

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

(web based iPhone game we did)

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

Like "Pigs A Popin"

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

there are a lot of titles doing thousands of sales per month

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

Of course - HACKING/CRACKING is *BAD*

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

our ROI on iPhone games, based on our sales, is a matter of a few months

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

never too late to deliver a great experience

James Body said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

The fact that some individuals WANT to go to all the hassle of hacking a game is a sign of success - if the game was rubbish then no-one would be willing to put in the effort of hacking it

Dan Rockwell said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

gold rush is right :)

Mark Hewitt said:

Aug 20, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

and yet it make DOS a household name

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

like XBox live arcade

William Volk said:

Aug 20, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

yep

Mark Hewitt said:

Aug 20, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

Remember how Gates became paranoid about software thief

Ken Camp said:

Aug 20, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

not sure either is better as both fail to support your income needs

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M Alec Saunders	cliffski	Dan Harris	Dan Rockwell	Frankie Abrams	Greg McQuay
Hudson Barton	James Body	James Swing-r	Jim Courtney	Ken Camp	Mark Hewitt
Moshe Maeir	Nick Desbarats	Phil Wolff	Randall Howard	Sheryl Breuker	Todd Spraggins
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