Squawk Box Sept 19 - weekly wrap! - Calliflower Online Meetings and Conference Call Services by iotum

Fri, Sep 19, at 11:00 AM
(GMT -05:00), US - Eastern
Duration:	30 minutes

It's Friday and we'll be wrapping up some of the stories of the week. A few of the things I want to discuss this morning are:

Skype's Jonathan Christensen's assertion that VoIP is dead; Michael Robertson's letter to Skype haranguing them over their definition of Open; the carrier panel at Om Malik's Mobilize and what they had to say about the data business; Google Android phones are due out on October 17th with t-mobile; the iPhone app-store acceptance process; Blackberry storm coming to Verizon; and more.

It's been a busy week

17 participants called in to this call

M Alec Saunders	Hudson Barton	Andy Abramson	Jim Courtney	Mark Hewitt
Jeb Brilliant	Ian F. Hood	William Volk	James Body	Stuart Henshall
Jonathan Jensen	Tom Orr	patphelan	Sergio Meinardi	Dan Rockwell
Heather Olson	Quick Caller 1

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:59 AM (GMT -05:00)

need to get Michael on the call more often

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:59 AM (GMT -05:00)

thank you all. that was a blast.

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:57 AM (GMT -05:00)

Agreed - he certainly stirred things up

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:57 AM (GMT -05:00)

T-Mobile has the chutpza to charge me MORE for WiFi on my T-Mobile/Starbucks account when I was in the UK. That was maddening

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:56 AM (GMT -05:00)

agreed James

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:56 AM (GMT -05:00)

Market forces will always favor the better connected services

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

I think that any attempt to legislate a mandatory interconnection policy for VoIP would be very bad for the industry

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

we DO Bill ;)

Stuart Henshall said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

the notion of calling a number is perhaps outdated... the need to connect to point a bridge to your account is important. Skype is VoIP and yet I cannot point Phweet to Skype without buying Skype In and double paying or I use SkypeOut to dial-in and it goes via the PSTN

Sergio Meinardi said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

very interesting session. bye all

Jonathan Jensen said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

Good conversation - interesting stuff. Thanks Alec.

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

A good session - sorry I was late

Heather Olson said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

Bye Alec Thx for the interesting call

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:55 AM (GMT -05:00)

Bye Pat

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:54 AM (GMT -05:00)

You have WiFi roaming that works in CANADA? I'm IMPRESSED!

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:52 AM (GMT -05:00)

THAT is amazing

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:52 AM (GMT -05:00)

Or T-Mobile and iPhone WiFi VOIP in Germany

Jonathan Jensen said:

Sep 19, 11:50 AM (GMT -05:00)

Sounds like T-Mobile & Truphone!

Stuart Henshall said:

Sep 19, 11:48 AM (GMT -05:00)

alec I'll be interested in your summary

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:47 AM (GMT -05:00)

carriers have blocked http urls for apps they didnt approved

Stuart Henshall said:

Sep 19, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

why can't my mobile operator provide me with a SIP account. Why can't skype give me a SIP account? So I can point to it?

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:46 AM (GMT -05:00)

Andy: you implied that one of the reasons for the Robertson "letter" (the big new thing that is making him tense) is mobile convergence. Comment?

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:45 AM (GMT -05:00)

and CLOSED networks kills MMS

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

nice comment Jonathan!

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

No-one talks over Pat and lives to talk about it

Jonathan Jensen said:

Sep 19, 11:44 AM (GMT -05:00)

Closed networks can be a sign of an immature market. In the early days of SMS in the UK you could only SMS people on your own network. About as much use as a chocolate teapot.

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:43 AM (GMT -05:00)

Let James tak

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:42 AM (GMT -05:00)

MMS is dead on the vine because it took too long for carrier interoperability

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:42 AM (GMT -05:00)

Shall I put my hand down - it aches and I think I have forgotten what I was going to say!

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:41 AM (GMT -05:00)

you will get a chance to talk

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:41 AM (GMT -05:00)

james... bill.... I see you guys!

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:40 AM (GMT -05:00)

or less?

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:40 AM (GMT -05:00)

what FIVE percent?

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:40 AM (GMT -05:00)

what's the % of Skype users who have Skype-In?

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:39 AM (GMT -05:00)

Precisely. Ask Robertson if GIZMO is willing to pay for peering with Skype.

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:38 AM (GMT -05:00)

based on that

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:38 AM (GMT -05:00)

then the % of SkypeIn users has to be 2% or less

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:37 AM (GMT -05:00)

approximately 10% of Skype's registered users are paying something

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:36 AM (GMT -05:00)

I had to deal with the IM BS in 2003. It was incredibly stupid.

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:35 AM (GMT -05:00)

Jim is right. the argument for open wireless networks is not hypocritical

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:34 AM (GMT -05:00)

Skype is a 'parallel universe' telephone network

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:34 AM (GMT -05:00)

Peering on Skype: Having an API to know the 'presence' of a Skype user and having the abilty to call them AND having the ability to HAVE a presence on Skype and accept a call.

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:33 AM (GMT -05:00)

That's what Michael is arguing for.

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:33 AM (GMT -05:00)

IM, presence and voice?

James Body said:

Sep 19, 11:33 AM (GMT -05:00)

Can someone define what we mean when we say 'peering with Skype'

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:32 AM (GMT -05:00)

who's on the noisy mobile?

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:32 AM (GMT -05:00)

All the others combined are still a fraction of the size of Skype. the only big market that Skype does not serve is mobile, and Skype has implied recently that that is about to be overcome.

Hudson Barton said:

Sep 19, 11:29 AM (GMT -05:00)

So we know that Skype CAN do at least a certain amount of peering, but why should they?

William Volk said:

Sep 19, 11:29 AM (GMT -05:00)

BRAVO!

Alec Saunders said:

Sep 19, 11:28 AM (GMT -05:00)

hi there James!

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